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Thread: purpose of subform?

purpose of subform?
mike 12/30/2008 8:31:29 PM
working on form to select records from 2 tbls and create a new record based
on selected items in a 3rd tbl.

tblStudents(list of students)
tblEnglish (list of english courses)
tblMath (list of math courses)
....(one table for each course topic)
tblStudentSubjects (list of students w/ selected subject)

main form (tblStudents)
-cbo to display and select a student from tblStudents
subform(tblStudentSubject or should i be using tblMath, etc.?)
-cbo for each course to display and select from tblMath, tblEnglish, etc.
-is it necessary to use a sub form for this?

-is it appropriate to use a btn to create a new record in tblStudentSubject
when the appropriate student and course is selected?
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/30/2008 8:48:59 PM
Mike,

Before you even get to form you need to review your table structure.
Creating seperate tables for each subject is kinda like building a seperate
house for each room. Why not have a table for Subjects and put all the
Course Topics in one table.

Then:

Main form (tblStudents)
Subform(tblStudentSubject ) In the subform use a combo box to look-up
Subjects from tblSubjects

--
Gina Whipp

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II

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[Quoted Text]
> working on form to select records from 2 tbls and create a new record
> based
> on selected items in a 3rd tbl.
>
> tblStudents(list of students)
> tblEnglish (list of english courses)
> tblMath (list of math courses)
> ...(one table for each course topic)
> tblStudentSubjects (list of students w/ selected subject)
>
> main form (tblStudents)
> -cbo to display and select a student from tblStudents
> subform(tblStudentSubject or should i be using tblMath, etc.?)
> -cbo for each course to display and select from tblMath, tblEnglish, etc.
> -is it necessary to use a sub form for this?
>
> -is it appropriate to use a btn to create a new record in
> tblStudentSubject
> when the appropriate student and course is selected?


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/30/2008 9:42:42 PM
[Quoted Text]
> Why not have a table for Subjects and put all the Course Topics in one table.
i can do that.

then how do i specify that the selected student and subject is added as a
new record in tblStudentSubject
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/30/2008 10:00:09 PM
The table tblSubjects

tblSubjects
sSubjectID (PK)
sSubject
sDescription
....add as many fields as you need

tblStudentSubject
ssStudentID (FK - tied to tblStudents PK sStudentID)
ssSubjectID (FK - tied to tblSubjects PK sSubjectID)
ssDescription
....add as many fields as you need

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II

"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
>> Why not have a table for Subjects and put all the Course Topics in one
>> table.
> i can do that.
>
> then how do i specify that the selected student and subject is added as a
> new record in tblStudentSubject


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/30/2008 11:22:01 PM
okay got all that but tblStudentSubject is not adding records correctly, is
the form setup correct?

1. create form using wizard
2. specify name field from tblStudents to show on form
3. then delete name field and add a cbo for list of names, select save
value for later use
4. add subform
5. specify tblStudentSubject and all fields to show on subform
6. delete fields and add cbo for list of subjects, select save value for
later use
*is this the correct setup?

*is it ok/appropriate to use cmdBtn to create new record in
tblStudentSubject for selected student/subject?

"Gina Whipp" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> The table tblSubjects
>
> tblSubjects
> sSubjectID (PK)
> sSubject
> sDescription
> ....add as many fields as you need
>
> tblStudentSubject
> ssStudentID (FK - tied to tblStudents PK sStudentID)
> ssSubjectID (FK - tied to tblSubjects PK sSubjectID)
> ssDescription
> ....add as many fields as you need
>
> --
> Gina Whipp
>
> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
> II
>
> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0B1971D4-58B8-4678-B2CB-99DDCBE439B0[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> Why not have a table for Subjects and put all the Course Topics in one
> >> table.
> > i can do that.
> >
> > then how do i specify that the selected student and subject is added as a
> > new record in tblStudentSubject
>
>
>
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/30/2008 11:55:05 PM
Mike,

1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not need
to save the value for anything.
4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form (Link
Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo box
using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be bound to
the ssStudentSubject.

Why would you use a command button, setting the subform to continuous view
should show you an empty row to add new records.

--
Gina Whipp

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II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Quoted Text]
> okay got all that but tblStudentSubject is not adding records correctly,
> is
> the form setup correct?
>
> 1. create form using wizard
> 2. specify name field from tblStudents to show on form
> 3. then delete name field and add a cbo for list of names, select save
> value for later use
> 4. add subform
> 5. specify tblStudentSubject and all fields to show on subform
> 6. delete fields and add cbo for list of subjects, select save value for
> later use
> *is this the correct setup?
>
> *is it ok/appropriate to use cmdBtn to create new record in
> tblStudentSubject for selected student/subject?
>
> "Gina Whipp" wrote:
>
>> The table tblSubjects
>>
>> tblSubjects
>> sSubjectID (PK)
>> sSubject
>> sDescription
>> ....add as many fields as you need
>>
>> tblStudentSubject
>> ssStudentID (FK - tied to tblStudents PK sStudentID)
>> ssSubjectID (FK - tied to tblSubjects PK sSubjectID)
>> ssDescription
>> ....add as many fields as you need
>>
>> --
>> Gina Whipp
>>
>> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
>> Tremors
>> II
>>
>> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0B1971D4-58B8-4678-B2CB-99DDCBE439B0[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> Why not have a table for Subjects and put all the Course Topics in one
>> >> table.
>> > i can do that.
>> >
>> > then how do i specify that the selected student and subject is added as
>> > a
>> > new record in tblStudentSubject
>>
>>
>>


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 1:34:03 AM
Gina,

[Quoted Text]
> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not need
> to save the value for anything.
got it.

> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form (Link
> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo box
> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be bound to
> the ssStudentSubject.
-how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main form?
-tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try to
link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"

tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.

Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 1:44:00 AM
fyi: relationships (in case this affects the setup)

-tblStudents.StudentID 1-to-many relationship to tblStudentSubject.StudentID
-tblSubjects.SubjectID 1-to-many relationship to tblStudentSubject.SubjectID

"mike" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Gina,
>
> > 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not need
> > to save the value for anything.
> got it.
>
> > 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form (Link
> > Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo box
> > using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be bound to
> > the ssStudentSubject.
> -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main form?
> -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try to
> link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
>
> tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
> subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
>
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 1:45:23 AM
Oops forgot about that...

You can't use the wizard to link them... Go to Properties of the Subform

LinkChildField = NameOfStudentIDField in tblStudentSubjects
LinkMasterFields = NameOfComboBox on Main form

Student ID is blank because the form is not linked AND you need to create a
Relationship between the tables with Cascading Updates set to Yes...

You know I'm starting to get the impression I am doing your classwork for
you. Is this an assignment?

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1D2DF046-4ACF-49C3-B21B-986B620CD9A4[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Gina,
>
>> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not
>> need
>> to save the value for anything.
> got it.
>
>> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form
>> (Link
>> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo box
>> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be bound
>> to
>> the ssStudentSubject.
> -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main form?
> -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try to
> link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
>
> tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
> subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
>


Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 1:47:00 AM
Cascading Updates set to Yes???

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FF3146AE-756A-437E-BE4B-0555041B8B22[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> fyi: relationships (in case this affects the setup)
>
> -tblStudents.StudentID 1-to-many relationship to
> tblStudentSubject.StudentID
> -tblSubjects.SubjectID 1-to-many relationship to
> tblStudentSubject.SubjectID
>
> "mike" wrote:
>
>> Gina,
>>
>> > 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not
>> > need
>> > to save the value for anything.
>> got it.
>>
>> > 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form
>> > (Link
>> > Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo
>> > box
>> > using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be
>> > bound to
>> > the ssStudentSubject.
>> -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main form?
>> -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try to
>> link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
>>
>> tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
>> subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
>>


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 2:12:01 AM
i'm a hs teacher who took on a project over break (not paid). trying to use
access to streamline teacher recommendation process at our school. right now
each teacher has to fill out a paper form for each student to select which
subjects he/she recommends for the coming year. then guidance has to gather
all the paper forms and figure out which student was recommended for which
class(es), all this in a short turnaround timeframe.

needless to say its not very efficient so i volunteered to try and create a
program to do this so. interface to show list of students and subjects,
allow teacher to select student and subject, then run reports for guidance.

its turning out to be a bigger task than i thought (always is:) but i'm
getting close

"Gina Whipp" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Oops forgot about that...
>
> You can't use the wizard to link them... Go to Properties of the Subform
>
> LinkChildField = NameOfStudentIDField in tblStudentSubjects
> LinkMasterFields = NameOfComboBox on Main form
>
> Student ID is blank because the form is not linked AND you need to create a
> Relationship between the tables with Cascading Updates set to Yes...
>
> You know I'm starting to get the impression I am doing your classwork for
> you. Is this an assignment?
>
> --
> Gina Whipp
>
> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
> II
> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1D2DF046-4ACF-49C3-B21B-986B620CD9A4[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Gina,
> >
> >> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not
> >> need
> >> to save the value for anything.
> > got it.
> >
> >> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form
> >> (Link
> >> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo box
> >> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be bound
> >> to
> >> the ssStudentSubject.
> > -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main form?
> > -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try to
> > link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
> >
> > tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
> > subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
> >
>
>
>
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 2:32:41 AM
Okay, well that explains it... Unfortunately, Access does have a bit of a
'learning curve' that isn't obvious right out of the box. You have few more
days until break is over... you should make it!

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CA698EC6-422D-4EA5-9B80-5328B1023B68[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> i'm a hs teacher who took on a project over break (not paid). trying to
> use
> access to streamline teacher recommendation process at our school. right
> now
> each teacher has to fill out a paper form for each student to select which
> subjects he/she recommends for the coming year. then guidance has to
> gather
> all the paper forms and figure out which student was recommended for which
> class(es), all this in a short turnaround timeframe.
>
> needless to say its not very efficient so i volunteered to try and create
> a
> program to do this so. interface to show list of students and subjects,
> allow teacher to select student and subject, then run reports for
> guidance.
>
> its turning out to be a bigger task than i thought (always is:) but i'm
> getting close
>
> "Gina Whipp" wrote:
>
>> Oops forgot about that...
>>
>> You can't use the wizard to link them... Go to Properties of the Subform
>>
>> LinkChildField = NameOfStudentIDField in tblStudentSubjects
>> LinkMasterFields = NameOfComboBox on Main form
>>
>> Student ID is blank because the form is not linked AND you need to create
>> a
>> Relationship between the tables with Cascading Updates set to Yes...
>>
>> You know I'm starting to get the impression I am doing your classwork for
>> you. Is this an assignment?
>>
>> --
>> Gina Whipp
>>
>> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
>> Tremors
>> II
>> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1D2DF046-4ACF-49C3-B21B-986B620CD9A4[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > Gina,
>> >
>> >> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not
>> >> need
>> >> to save the value for anything.
>> > got it.
>> >
>> >> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form
>> >> (Link
>> >> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo
>> >> box
>> >> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be
>> >> bound
>> >> to
>> >> the ssStudentSubject.
>> > -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main
>> > form?
>> > -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try
>> > to
>> > link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
>> >
>> > tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
>> > subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
>> >
>>
>>
>>


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 4:40:01 AM
Gina,

thx to you more progress:)

i ended up putting cboStudent in the subform. when i select a student and
subject, it creates a new record in tblStudentSubject correctly.

interface issue: the cboStudent and cboSubject show up in column format on
the subform. is there a way to format to make it more aesthetically pleasing
i.e. some separation between the two cbo's?

"Gina Whipp" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Okay, well that explains it... Unfortunately, Access does have a bit of a
> 'learning curve' that isn't obvious right out of the box. You have few more
> days until break is over... you should make it!
>
> --
> Gina Whipp
>
> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
> II
> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CA698EC6-422D-4EA5-9B80-5328B1023B68[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > i'm a hs teacher who took on a project over break (not paid). trying to
> > use
> > access to streamline teacher recommendation process at our school. right
> > now
> > each teacher has to fill out a paper form for each student to select which
> > subjects he/she recommends for the coming year. then guidance has to
> > gather
> > all the paper forms and figure out which student was recommended for which
> > class(es), all this in a short turnaround timeframe.
> >
> > needless to say its not very efficient so i volunteered to try and create
> > a
> > program to do this so. interface to show list of students and subjects,
> > allow teacher to select student and subject, then run reports for
> > guidance.
> >
> > its turning out to be a bigger task than i thought (always is:) but i'm
> > getting close
> >
> > "Gina Whipp" wrote:
> >
> >> Oops forgot about that...
> >>
> >> You can't use the wizard to link them... Go to Properties of the Subform
> >>
> >> LinkChildField = NameOfStudentIDField in tblStudentSubjects
> >> LinkMasterFields = NameOfComboBox on Main form
> >>
> >> Student ID is blank because the form is not linked AND you need to create
> >> a
> >> Relationship between the tables with Cascading Updates set to Yes...
> >>
> >> You know I'm starting to get the impression I am doing your classwork for
> >> you. Is this an assignment?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gina Whipp
> >>
> >> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
> >> Tremors
> >> II
> >> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1D2DF046-4ACF-49C3-B21B-986B620CD9A4[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> > Gina,
> >> >
> >> >> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do not
> >> >> need
> >> >> to save the value for anything.
> >> > got it.
> >> >
> >> >> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main Form
> >> >> (Link
> >> >> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a combo
> >> >> box
> >> >> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be
> >> >> bound
> >> >> to
> >> >> the ssStudentSubject.
> >> > -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main
> >> > form?
> >> > -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i try
> >> > to
> >> > link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound forms"
> >> >
> >> > tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/ correct
> >> > subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 4:44:43 AM
Mike,

Good to know 'cause it's almost midnight here and I need my rest :o)

Go into design mode of the form (the little blue triangle and move the
fields around/over/up/down...

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II

"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ECEFA984-3192-4206-83A3-2400F796AE19[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Gina,
>
> thx to you more progress:)
>
> i ended up putting cboStudent in the subform. when i select a student and
> subject, it creates a new record in tblStudentSubject correctly.
>
> interface issue: the cboStudent and cboSubject show up in column format
> on
> the subform. is there a way to format to make it more aesthetically
> pleasing
> i.e. some separation between the two cbo's?
>
> "Gina Whipp" wrote:
>
>> Okay, well that explains it... Unfortunately, Access does have a bit of
>> a
>> 'learning curve' that isn't obvious right out of the box. You have few
>> more
>> days until break is over... you should make it!
>>
>> --
>> Gina Whipp
>>
>> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
>> Tremors
>> II
>> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CA698EC6-422D-4EA5-9B80-5328B1023B68[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > i'm a hs teacher who took on a project over break (not paid). trying
>> > to
>> > use
>> > access to streamline teacher recommendation process at our school.
>> > right
>> > now
>> > each teacher has to fill out a paper form for each student to select
>> > which
>> > subjects he/she recommends for the coming year. then guidance has to
>> > gather
>> > all the paper forms and figure out which student was recommended for
>> > which
>> > class(es), all this in a short turnaround timeframe.
>> >
>> > needless to say its not very efficient so i volunteered to try and
>> > create
>> > a
>> > program to do this so. interface to show list of students and
>> > subjects,
>> > allow teacher to select student and subject, then run reports for
>> > guidance.
>> >
>> > its turning out to be a bigger task than i thought (always is:) but i'm
>> > getting close
>> >
>> > "Gina Whipp" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oops forgot about that...
>> >>
>> >> You can't use the wizard to link them... Go to Properties of the
>> >> Subform
>> >>
>> >> LinkChildField = NameOfStudentIDField in tblStudentSubjects
>> >> LinkMasterFields = NameOfComboBox on Main form
>> >>
>> >> Student ID is blank because the form is not linked AND you need to
>> >> create
>> >> a
>> >> Relationship between the tables with Cascading Updates set to Yes...
>> >>
>> >> You know I'm starting to get the impression I am doing your classwork
>> >> for
>> >> you. Is this an assignment?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gina Whipp
>> >>
>> >> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
>> >> Tremors
>> >> II
>> >> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1D2DF046-4ACF-49C3-B21B-986B620CD9A4[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> >> > Gina,
>> >> >
>> >> >> 1. - 3. The combo box on the Main Form should be unbound. You do
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> need
>> >> >> to save the value for anything.
>> >> > got it.
>> >> >
>> >> >> 4. Subform should be in continuous view and attached to the Main
>> >> >> Form
>> >> >> (Link
>> >> >> Fields) StudentID. Then the field Student Subject should be a
>> >> >> combo
>> >> >> box
>> >> >> using the tblSubjects as the Record Source and the value should be
>> >> >> bound
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the ssStudentSubject.
>> >> > -how do i (or when in the wizard do i) link the subform to the main
>> >> > form?
>> >> > -tried setting "Source object" for subform to main form but when i
>> >> > try
>> >> > to
>> >> > link child/master fields, get message stating "cant link unbound
>> >> > forms"
>> >> >
>> >> > tried all above 1)new record is created in tblStudentSubject w/
>> >> > correct
>> >> > subject from cbo in subform but 2)studentID is blank.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 3:05:01 PM
Gina,

hope you slept well:)

[Quoted Text]
> Go into design mode of the form (the little blue triangle and move the
> fields around/over/up/down...
-when i go into design mode, the cbo's show up as independent boxes inside
the subform which i can move all around (no blue triangles?) but no matter
they still show up as side-by-side columns in form view.

-also i think there will be less incorrect entries if i add a cmdBtn to
allow user(teacher) to confirm selection. else, as soon as a class is
selected its written to tblStudentSubject which i believe will lead to alot
of invalid entries. is that difficult to change?
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 3:14:06 PM
Mike,

Like a rock!!!

1. Are you using Access 2007? Maybe you said but I missed that. In
earlier versions to get to design mode you clicked a blue triangle looking
button. If Access 2007, then you probably have to UNgroup them to get them
to move independently of each other. I THINK this can be done by
right-clicking on one of the boxes and select 'ungroup'. If that doesn't
work I'll have to open my Access 2007 and have a look. Also, if you are
using Datasheet View then they will always be side-by-side no matter where
you move them.

2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know your
users better then anyone.

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II

"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:36402916-9186-42ED-AB7B-F879B7BE9EB0[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Gina,
>
> hope you slept well:)
>
>> Go into design mode of the form (the little blue triangle and move the
>> fields around/over/up/down...
> -when i go into design mode, the cbo's show up as independent boxes inside
> the subform which i can move all around (no blue triangles?) but no matter
> they still show up as side-by-side columns in form view.
>
> -also i think there will be less incorrect entries if i add a cmdBtn to
> allow user(teacher) to confirm selection. else, as soon as a class is
> selected its written to tblStudentSubject which i believe will lead to
> alot
> of invalid entries. is that difficult to change?


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 12/31/2008 5:06:01 PM
Gina,

i'm using 2003.

[Quoted Text]
> 2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know your
> users better then anyone.
since the cbo's are bound to fields in tblStudentSubject, when i select a
cboStudent and then select a cboSubject, it creates a new record in
tblStudentSubject which is what i want. however, i'd like to add a
confirmation step. after user selects subject use a messageDialogBox to
confirm entry.

-i imagine i have to use VBA something like

Private Sub cboSubject_click
MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
End Sub

will that do it?
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 12/31/2008 5:20:22 PM
Yes, that will work...
--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:38631ED1-E086-47AB-AB5A-BC23AF68A7D1[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Gina,
>
> i'm using 2003.
>
>> 2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know your
>> users better then anyone.
> since the cbo's are bound to fields in tblStudentSubject, when i select a
> cboStudent and then select a cboSubject, it creates a new record in
> tblStudentSubject which is what i want. however, i'd like to add a
> confirmation step. after user selects subject use a messageDialogBox to
> confirm entry.
>
> -i imagine i have to use VBA something like
>
> Private Sub cboSubject_click
> MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
> if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
> else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
> End Sub
>
> will that do it?


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 1/1/2009 2:21:01 AM
Gina, John (Vinson), and Allen (Browne):

wanted to say thank you for your gracious help. thx to Allen and John i was
able to "properly" construct a DB using relationships, and thx to Gina for
helping me bring it all together.

john: i agree with your point about the confirmation button. going to omit
it for now.

as a teacher, i have an appreciation for people who are willing to share
his/her knowledge for the sake of helping:)

all in all i've got what i set out the create. could use a few bells and
whistles but i can fiddle with it now.

Regards.
Mike


"Gina Whipp" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> Yes, that will work...
> --
> Gina Whipp
>
> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
> II
> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:38631ED1-E086-47AB-AB5A-BC23AF68A7D1[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Gina,
> >
> > i'm using 2003.
> >
> >> 2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know your
> >> users better then anyone.
> > since the cbo's are bound to fields in tblStudentSubject, when i select a
> > cboStudent and then select a cboSubject, it creates a new record in
> > tblStudentSubject which is what i want. however, i'd like to add a
> > confirmation step. after user selects subject use a messageDialogBox to
> > confirm entry.
> >
> > -i imagine i have to use VBA something like
> >
> > Private Sub cboSubject_click
> > MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
> > if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
> > else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
> > End Sub
> >
> > will that do it?
>
>
>
Re: purpose of subform?
mike 1/1/2009 2:37:01 AM
forgot i wanted to ask about deploying the completed program. curious as to
what obstacles i might face if when i load the .mdb on the teacher network.
-do i copy the .mdb to a network drive for user access (no pun intended:)
-can mutiple users access it simultaneously?

"John W. Vinson" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:06:01 -0800, mike <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >-i imagine i have to use VBA something like
> >
> >Private Sub cboSubject_click
> >MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
> >if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
> >else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
> >End Sub
>
> I'd actually use the Form's BeforeUpdate event.
>
> HOWEVER...
>
> in my experience this kind of confirmation really ends up being an annoyance.
> Users will get to the point that they thoughtlessly just choose OK (and then
> ask you to fix up the damage they've done), and it will just waste their time.
> "Yes, I wanted to make an entry, that's why I opened the blasted form!!!"
> --
>
> John W. Vinson [MVP]
>
Re: purpose of subform?
"Gina Whipp" <NotInterested[ at ]InViruses.com> 1/1/2009 2:41:22 AM
You're most welcome...

Ummm, as a sidenote, "fiddle" on a copy. You don't want to accidently
"fiddle" with the working one and have it stop working!

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
"mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BBB1377A-8711-4EB1-AD4D-CA5AAA600271[ at ]microsoft.com...
[Quoted Text]
> Gina, John (Vinson), and Allen (Browne):
>
> wanted to say thank you for your gracious help. thx to Allen and John i
> was
> able to "properly" construct a DB using relationships, and thx to Gina for
> helping me bring it all together.
>
> john: i agree with your point about the confirmation button. going to
> omit
> it for now.
>
> as a teacher, i have an appreciation for people who are willing to share
> his/her knowledge for the sake of helping:)
>
> all in all i've got what i set out the create. could use a few bells and
> whistles but i can fiddle with it now.
>
> Regards.
> Mike
>
>
> "Gina Whipp" wrote:
>
>> Yes, that will work...
>> --
>> Gina Whipp
>>
>> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
>> Tremors
>> II
>> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:38631ED1-E086-47AB-AB5A-BC23AF68A7D1[ at ]microsoft.com...
>> > Gina,
>> >
>> > i'm using 2003.
>> >
>> >> 2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know
>> >> your
>> >> users better then anyone.
>> > since the cbo's are bound to fields in tblStudentSubject, when i select
>> > a
>> > cboStudent and then select a cboSubject, it creates a new record in
>> > tblStudentSubject which is what i want. however, i'd like to add a
>> > confirmation step. after user selects subject use a messageDialogBox
>> > to
>> > confirm entry.
>> >
>> > -i imagine i have to use VBA something like
>> >
>> > Private Sub cboSubject_click
>> > MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
>> > if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
>> > else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
>> > End Sub
>> >
>> > will that do it?
>>
>>
>>


Re: purpose of subform?
mike 1/1/2009 2:49:01 AM
i hear ya. duly noted:)

"Gina Whipp" wrote:

[Quoted Text]
> You're most welcome...
>
> Ummm, as a sidenote, "fiddle" on a copy. You don't want to accidently
> "fiddle" with the working one and have it stop working!
>
> --
> Gina Whipp
>
> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
> II
> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BBB1377A-8711-4EB1-AD4D-CA5AAA600271[ at ]microsoft.com...
> > Gina, John (Vinson), and Allen (Browne):
> >
> > wanted to say thank you for your gracious help. thx to Allen and John i
> > was
> > able to "properly" construct a DB using relationships, and thx to Gina for
> > helping me bring it all together.
> >
> > john: i agree with your point about the confirmation button. going to
> > omit
> > it for now.
> >
> > as a teacher, i have an appreciation for people who are willing to share
> > his/her knowledge for the sake of helping:)
> >
> > all in all i've got what i set out the create. could use a few bells and
> > whistles but i can fiddle with it now.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > "Gina Whipp" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, that will work...
> >> --
> >> Gina Whipp
> >>
> >> "I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" -
> >> Tremors
> >> II
> >> "mike" <mike[ at ]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:38631ED1-E086-47AB-AB5A-BC23AF68A7D1[ at ]microsoft.com...
> >> > Gina,
> >> >
> >> > i'm using 2003.
> >> >
> >> >> 2. Then by all means add the button to add a new record. You know
> >> >> your
> >> >> users better then anyone.
> >> > since the cbo's are bound to fields in tblStudentSubject, when i select
> >> > a
> >> > cboStudent and then select a cboSubject, it creates a new record in
> >> > tblStudentSubject which is what i want. however, i'd like to add a
> >> > confirmation step. after user selects subject use a messageDialogBox
> >> > to
> >> > confirm entry.
> >> >
> >> > -i imagine i have to use VBA something like
> >> >
> >> > Private Sub cboSubject_click
> >> > MessageDialogBox.show("Confirm entry")
> >> > if yes, then add record to table w/ selected item in both cbo's
> >> > else, reset cbo's w/out writing a new record
> >> > End Sub
> >> >
> >> > will that do it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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