Web Messenger? "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> 12/27/2008 11:10:55 PM Was this left for dead? http://messidog.live.com/ An error has occurred. There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right now. Please try signing in again later. If you have a different account, you may want to try signing in with that one. Help - Sign in with a different account ________ MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not interested in making WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... - Stephen

Re: Web Messenger? "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> 12/28/2008 4:22:06 AM Hi, One day it'll show up elsewhere I would expect... -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message news:085CA116-22D5-426A-AB99-E5C6CE76AB30[ at ]microsoft.com... [Quoted Text] > Was this left for dead? > > http://messidog.live.com/ > > > An error has occurred. > There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right now. Please try signing > in again later. If you have a different account, you may want to try signing in with that > one. > Help - Sign in with a different account > > > ________ > > > MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not interested in making > WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... > > > - Stephen

Re: Web Messenger? "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> 12/28/2008 2:14:30 PM Oh I love your star trek Christmas tree! What is your opinion about the new star trek 11 enterprise design? My opinion about it is> Reminds me of vista.... (and that's not a compliment if you know what I mean! lol) Things changed around just to be different with no good reason...the result is a fugly craft that doesn't deserve the name Enterprise "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message news:emJ0YPKaJHA.4852[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi, > > One day it'll show up elsewhere I would expect... > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > > "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:085CA116-22D5-426A-AB99-E5C6CE76AB30[ at ]microsoft.com... >> Was this left for dead? >> >> http://messidog.live.com/ >> >> >> An error has occurred. >> There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right now. >> Please try signing in again later. If you have a different account, you >> may want to try signing in with that one. >> Help - Sign in with a different account >> >> >> ________ >> >> >> MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not >> interested in making WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... >> >> >> - Stephen > >

Re: Web Messenger? "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> 12/29/2008 4:06:01 AM Hi, Why thank you :) It's alright I suppose, the nacelles certainly don't do much for me - but I can accept it. I'm trying to remain open minded about the film, but that's slowly starting to fade more as they release more materials about the film. The Kelvin is more a question mark for me. Nevermind the possible problems with known trek physics and how these engines are supposed to work, but it just looks like some mutilated federation design. Well, five months and we find out! -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message news:495789c8$1[ at ]newsgate.x-privat.org... [Quoted Text] > Oh I love your star trek Christmas tree! > > What is your opinion about the new star trek 11 enterprise design? > > > > > My opinion about it is> > Reminds me of vista.... (and that's not a compliment if you know what I mean! lol) > Things changed around just to be different with no good reason...the result is a fugly > craft that doesn't deserve the name Enterprise > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message > news:emJ0YPKaJHA.4852[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> One day it'll show up elsewhere I would expect... >> >> -- >> Jonathan Kay >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation >> -- >> >> >> "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:085CA116-22D5-426A-AB99-E5C6CE76AB30[ at ]microsoft.com... >>> Was this left for dead? >>> >>> http://messidog.live.com/ >>> >>> >>> An error has occurred. >>> There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right now. Please try >>> signing in again later. If you have a different account, you may want to try signing in >>> with that one. >>> Help - Sign in with a different account >>> >>> >>> ________ >>> >>> >>> MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not interested in >>> making WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... >>> >>> >>> - Stephen >> >>

Re: Web Messenger? "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> 12/29/2008 5:55:20 PM actually there were mentions in previous trek about the single engine design.. there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early ships and experimental craft with 1. I read about this after seeing the kelvin and remembering that Rodenberry had said that you need them in pairs to achieve warp speed. The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is scary... I would never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not a trekker) in charge of a Star Trek film! Not even george lucas! "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message news:ut3VErWaJHA.4072[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > Hi, > > Why thank you :) > > It's alright I suppose, the nacelles certainly don't do much for me - but > I can accept it. I'm trying to remain open minded about the film, but > that's slowly starting to fade more as they release more materials about > the film. > > The Kelvin is more a question mark for me. Nevermind the possible > problems with known trek physics and how these engines are supposed to > work, but it just looks like some mutilated federation design. > > Well, five months and we find out! > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > > "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:495789c8$1[ at ]newsgate.x-privat.org... >> Oh I love your star trek Christmas tree! >> >> What is your opinion about the new star trek 11 enterprise design? >> >> >> >> >> My opinion about it is> >> Reminds me of vista.... (and that's not a compliment if you know what I >> mean! lol) >> Things changed around just to be different with no good reason...the >> result is a fugly craft that doesn't deserve the name Enterprise >> >> >> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message >> news:emJ0YPKaJHA.4852[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, >>> >>> One day it'll show up elsewhere I would expect... >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Kay >>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >>> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >>> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >>> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >>> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this >>> signature or citation >>> -- >>> >>> >>> "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:085CA116-22D5-426A-AB99-E5C6CE76AB30[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>> Was this left for dead? >>>> >>>> http://messidog.live.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> An error has occurred. >>>> There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right >>>> now. Please try signing in again later. If you have a different >>>> account, you may want to try signing in with that one. >>>> Help - Sign in with a different account >>>> >>>> >>>> ________ >>>> >>>> >>>> MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not >>>> interested in making WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... >>>> >>>> >>>> - Stephen >>> >>> >

Re: Web Messenger? "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> 12/29/2008 9:43:54 PM "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message: [Quoted Text] > there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early ships and > experimental craft with 1. Do you have a reference for that out of curiosity? > The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is scary... I would > never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not a trekker) in charge of a Star > Trek film! Not even george lucas! Well we all know how successful that was for Nemesis. I try my best to forget that film even exists. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation --

Re: Web Messenger? "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> 12/30/2008 2:41:15 PM I was mad after seeing the Kelvin because I had read this: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/design.htm Rule #1 Warp nacelles *must* be in pairs. "The 'All Good Things' Enterprise is explained not to violate these because it has two warp field coils in each nacelle, thus creating three pairs. The Franz Joseph Designs single-nacelle ships are not official canon..." But then I found lots of information about this.. some of this is below: see here image of tos era saladin class http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Wik_sal1.jpg http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/others/hermes.htm http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/freedom.htm also read this from here http://www.trekplace.com/article15.html Warp nacelles must be in pairs. The Hermes-class ship has a single warp nacelle, which would seem to violate this rule. On the other hand, perhaps the interior of the nacelle has the functional equivalent of a pair of nacelles -- twin sets of warp coils arranged side-by-side. The ship's deflector shield system might also help with related tasks such as reducing the ship's inertial mass. In Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's "Emissary," space station Deep Space 9's inertial mass was reduced using the station's deflector shield system. The Hermes sensor/deflector dish is mounted beneath the primary hull on a strut. Perhaps this configuration allows the navigational deflector to further enhance the ship's warp field generation and control capabilities. also see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starfleet_ship_classes Saladin class USS Saladin (NCC-500) The Saladin class is a type of starship that originated in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual. Diagrams from this Technical Manual were used in bridge displays in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The Technical Manual designates it is a "destroyer", and claims the first ship of this class is the USS Saladin, NCC-500. The ship has only one nacelle. The video game Star Trek: Legacy features a starship of the same design as the Saladin but instead refers to it as Apollo class. This ship can be used during the first part of the Original Series section of the game. Later, the ship gets a restyle similar to the Enterprise-A's refit, this time with two similar warp nacelles. This version is dubbed the "Apollo-class refit." "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message news:#TsIQ6faJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message: >> there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early >> ships and experimental craft with 1. > Do you have a reference for that out of curiosity? > >> The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is >> scary... I would never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not >> a trekker) in charge of a Star Trek film! Not even george lucas! > Well we all know how successful that was for Nemesis. I try my best to > forget that film even exists. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > >

Re: Web Messenger? "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> 12/30/2008 2:44:25 PM also I had read this about the experiments with single nacelles: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:_2oNOz1AXF4J:www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/5407/warp03.htm+experimental+with+one+nacelle+star+trek&hl=el&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=gr&client=firefox-a In 2269, experimental work with single nacelles and more than two nacelles yielded quick confirmation that two was the optimum number for power generation and vehicle control. Spacecraft maneuvers are performed by introducing controlled timing differences in each set of warp coils, thereby modifying the total warp field geometry and resultant ship heading. Yaw motions (XZ plane) are most easily controlled in this manner. Pitch changes are affected by a combination of timing differences and plasma concentrations. "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message news:49590f07[ at ]newsgate.x-privat.org... [Quoted Text] > actually there were mentions in previous trek about the single engine > design.. > > there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early > ships and experimental craft with 1. > > I read about this after seeing the kelvin and remembering that Rodenberry > had said that you need them in pairs to achieve warp speed. > > The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is > scary... I would never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not > a trekker) in charge of a Star Trek film! Not even george lucas! > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message > news:ut3VErWaJHA.4072[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> Why thank you :) >> >> It's alright I suppose, the nacelles certainly don't do much for me - but >> I can accept it. I'm trying to remain open minded about the film, but >> that's slowly starting to fade more as they release more materials about >> the film. >> >> The Kelvin is more a question mark for me. Nevermind the possible >> problems with known trek physics and how these engines are supposed to >> work, but it just looks like some mutilated federation design. >> >> Well, five months and we find out! >> >> -- >> Jonathan Kay >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this >> signature or citation >> -- >> >> >> "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:495789c8$1[ at ]newsgate.x-privat.org... >>> Oh I love your star trek Christmas tree! >>> >>> What is your opinion about the new star trek 11 enterprise design? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My opinion about it is> >>> Reminds me of vista.... (and that's not a compliment if you know what I >>> mean! lol) >>> Things changed around just to be different with no good reason...the >>> result is a fugly craft that doesn't deserve the name Enterprise >>> >>> >>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message >>> news:emJ0YPKaJHA.4852[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> One day it'll show up elsewhere I would expect... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Kay >>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >>>> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >>>> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >>>> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >>>> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this >>>> signature or citation >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> "Stephen" <stephenseebaran[ at ]hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:085CA116-22D5-426A-AB99-E5C6CE76AB30[ at ]microsoft.com... >>>>> Was this left for dead? >>>>> >>>>> http://messidog.live.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> An error has occurred. >>>>> There's a problem with the Windows Live Web Messenger service right >>>>> now. Please try signing in again later. If you have a different >>>>> account, you may want to try signing in with that one. >>>>> Help - Sign in with a different account >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> MSN Web Messenger still works but both links seem hush-hush. Is MS not >>>>> interested in making WLM web accessible? I see brand confusion here... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Stephen >>>> >>>> >>

Re: Web Messenger? "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> 12/30/2008 2:45:15 PM also I had read this about the experiments with single nacelles: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:_2oNOz1AXF4J:www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/5407/warp03.htm+experimental+with+one+nacelle+star+trek&hl=el&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=gr&client=firefox-a In 2269, experimental work with single nacelles and more than two nacelles yielded quick confirmation that two was the optimum number for power generation and vehicle control. Spacecraft maneuvers are performed by introducing controlled timing differences in each set of warp coils, thereby modifying the total warp field geometry and resultant ship heading. Yaw motions (XZ plane) are most easily controlled in this manner. Pitch changes are affected by a combination of timing differences and plasma concentrations. "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message news:#TsIQ6faJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [Quoted Text] > "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message: >> there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early >> ships and experimental craft with 1. > Do you have a reference for that out of curiosity? > >> The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is >> scary... I would never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not >> a trekker) in charge of a Star Trek film! Not even george lucas! > Well we all know how successful that was for Nemesis. I try my best to > forget that film even exists. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > >

Re: Web Messenger? "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> 12/30/2008 8:54:37 PM Hi, Thanks for that, I knew I had seen stuff about this before somewhere too. I suppose it's not so mutilated then, but it still is odd. I wish I didn't have to wait 5 months! -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message news:495a3307[ at ]newsgate.x-privat.org... [Quoted Text] > I was mad after seeing the Kelvin because I had read this: > http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/design.htm > > Rule #1 Warp nacelles *must* be in pairs. > "The 'All Good Things' Enterprise is explained not to violate these because it has two warp > field coils in each nacelle, thus creating three pairs. The Franz Joseph Designs > single-nacelle ships are not official canon..." > > > But then I found lots of information about this.. some of this is below: > > see here image of tos era saladin class > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Wik_sal1.jpg > > http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/others/hermes.htm > > http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/freedom.htm > > also read this from here http://www.trekplace.com/article15.html > > Warp nacelles must be in pairs. The Hermes-class ship has a single warp nacelle, which > would seem to violate this rule. On the other hand, perhaps the interior of the nacelle has > the functional equivalent of a pair of nacelles -- twin sets of warp coils arranged > side-by-side. The ship's deflector shield system might also help with related tasks such as > reducing the ship's inertial mass. In Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's "Emissary," space > station Deep Space 9's inertial mass was reduced using the station's deflector shield > system. The Hermes sensor/deflector dish is mounted beneath the primary hull on a strut. > Perhaps this configuration allows the navigational deflector to further enhance the ship's > warp field generation and control capabilities. > > also see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starfleet_ship_classes > > > Saladin class > USS Saladin (NCC-500) > > The Saladin class is a type of starship that originated in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet > Technical Manual. Diagrams from this Technical Manual were used in bridge displays in Star > Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The Technical Manual designates it is a "destroyer", and claims > the first ship of this class is the USS Saladin, NCC-500. The ship has only one nacelle. > > The video game Star Trek: Legacy features a starship of the same design as the Saladin but > instead refers to it as Apollo class. This ship can be used during the first part of the > Original Series section of the game. Later, the ship gets a restyle similar to the > Enterprise-A's refit, this time with two similar warp nacelles. This version is dubbed the > "Apollo-class refit." > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies[ at ]jonathankay.com> wrote in message > news:#TsIQ6faJHA.684[ at ]TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "vista is bad for ya" <vista[ at ]microsoft.com> wrote in message: >>> there are 2 coils in the single nacelle. the federation had some early ships and >>> experimental craft with 1. >> Do you have a reference for that out of curiosity? >> >>> The fact that JJ abrams is not a trek fan, and more of a star wars fan is scary... I >>> would never put a director that is not a die hard trekkie (not a trekker) in charge of a >>> Star Trek film! Not even george lucas! >> Well we all know how successful that was for Nemesis. I try my best to forget that film >> even exists. >> >> -- >> Jonathan Kay >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation >> -- >> >> >>